WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.120 --> 00:00:04.819 Hey there. Welcome to another episode of Compass Finding 2 00:00:04.880 --> 00:00:08.240 Spirituality in the Everyday. Do you have your 3 00:00:08.240 --> 00:00:11.840 Halloween candy on hand? Is your costume put together? Are the 4 00:00:11.840 --> 00:00:15.585 pumpkins carved? Have you started binge watching the 50 greatest 5 00:00:15.585 --> 00:00:19.265 horror movies of all time? It's Halloween season, and while 6 00:00:19.265 --> 00:00:23.025 Halloween celebrations are a bit taboo around 7 00:00:23.025 --> 00:00:26.865 much of the Christian space, I have to admit that I personally hold a 8 00:00:26.865 --> 00:00:30.080 fascination with things mysterious, strange, 9 00:00:30.300 --> 00:00:34.060 unexplainable, or dark. So Halloween for me becomes a reminder 10 00:00:34.060 --> 00:00:37.820 that there are still mysteries to our world. There are things 11 00:00:37.820 --> 00:00:41.260 undiscovered and it inspires a sense of awe or 12 00:00:41.260 --> 00:00:44.960 wonder. I think the world could use a little bit more awe and wonder. 13 00:00:45.315 --> 00:00:48.914 So let's do this with this episode. Let's dive into the 14 00:00:48.914 --> 00:00:52.434 awe inspiring and wonder inducing aspects of 15 00:00:52.434 --> 00:00:56.274 Halloween. Let's look at some questions the season and its 16 00:00:56.274 --> 00:00:59.714 themes may inspire from a Christian and I guess more 17 00:00:59.714 --> 00:01:03.410 succinctly a United Methodist perspective, actually, 18 00:01:03.410 --> 00:01:07.130 to be transparently succinct. We're 19 00:01:07.130 --> 00:01:10.570 really going to approach these questions from a Reverend Ryan Dunn 20 00:01:10.570 --> 00:01:14.350 perspective, which is United Methodist, met a Christian, 21 00:01:14.735 --> 00:01:18.575 all that, because all of these are gonna be addressed from my personal 22 00:01:18.575 --> 00:01:21.955 experiences and interactions with tradition, scripture, 23 00:01:22.335 --> 00:01:26.095 and reason. Now I know that many of you tuning in might be 24 00:01:26.095 --> 00:01:29.650 skeptical about faith. You may have doubts or questions, and that's 25 00:01:29.650 --> 00:01:33.250 okay. Let's talk about some of the mysterious, spooky, and spiritual 26 00:01:33.250 --> 00:01:36.310 topics with curiosity and 27 00:01:36.770 --> 00:01:38.710 openness like this. 28 00:01:44.025 --> 00:01:47.785 Do Christians believe in ghosts? This is a 29 00:01:47.785 --> 00:01:51.545 question that has as many answers as there 30 00:01:51.545 --> 00:01:55.165 are people. In theology, we utilize an ideal 31 00:01:55.465 --> 00:01:58.970 called a hermeneutic to interpret sacred texts and 32 00:01:58.970 --> 00:02:02.490 other theological ideas. Now, when I first heard that 33 00:02:02.490 --> 00:02:06.170 word in my theological classes, I kept wondering why this 34 00:02:06.170 --> 00:02:09.850 Herman individual was such a big deal. That's not 35 00:02:09.850 --> 00:02:13.625 based on a person really hermeneutic just refers 36 00:02:13.685 --> 00:02:16.825 to a method or principle of interpretation. 37 00:02:17.685 --> 00:02:21.305 In the United Methodist Church, we often turn to a fourfold 38 00:02:22.005 --> 00:02:25.305 hermeneutic referred to as the Wesleyan quadrilateral. 39 00:02:26.165 --> 00:02:29.890 And there was a theologian named Albert Outler, 40 00:02:30.030 --> 00:02:33.650 who looked at the writings of John Wesley, who is the founder of Methodism 41 00:02:34.270 --> 00:02:37.970 and Outler noted that there seemed to be 4 factors that Wesley 42 00:02:38.110 --> 00:02:40.850 leaned into whenever forming theological 43 00:02:41.645 --> 00:02:45.265 theories or ideals. And the four factors were 44 00:02:45.565 --> 00:02:49.084 1 scripture, 2 reason, 3 45 00:02:49.084 --> 00:02:52.465 tradition, and 4 experience. Now as a Methodist 46 00:02:52.525 --> 00:02:56.140 person, it's natural for me to take these four factors and to 47 00:02:56.140 --> 00:02:59.500 try to employ them to answer a question like, do 48 00:02:59.500 --> 00:03:01.519 Christians believe in ghosts? 49 00:03:07.099 --> 00:03:10.865 So if we start with scripture, we might actually say, yes. We do 50 00:03:10.865 --> 00:03:14.305 believe in ghosts. The bible does include stories that could be 51 00:03:14.305 --> 00:03:18.085 interpreted as encounters with spirits or ghosts. For example, 52 00:03:18.145 --> 00:03:21.760 there's the story of King Saul and the witch of Endor. This 53 00:03:21.760 --> 00:03:25.520 is Star Wars reference number 1 by the way, or I guess this is reference 54 00:03:25.520 --> 00:03:28.560 number 1 where Star Wars references scripture. Anyway, in 55 00:03:29.280 --> 00:03:33.120 this story happens in 1st Samuel 28. In 56 00:03:33.120 --> 00:03:36.875 the story, Saul speaks to the spirit of the prophet 57 00:03:36.875 --> 00:03:40.094 Samuel who is deceased. There's also, 58 00:03:40.954 --> 00:03:44.555 later on in scriptures, a moment when Jesus walks on water and the 59 00:03:44.555 --> 00:03:47.855 disciples are terrified and they think that they're seeing a ghost. 60 00:03:48.555 --> 00:03:52.210 That's our scriptural reference. And I want to add a personal addendum 61 00:03:52.210 --> 00:03:55.970 here. I believe that the Bible makes the claim that Jesus is the word 62 00:03:55.970 --> 00:03:59.350 of God. That's what John chapter 1 states. So 63 00:03:59.490 --> 00:04:03.314 Jesus is the ultimate statement of God. We encounter 64 00:04:03.935 --> 00:04:07.555 Jesus through the Bible then. And I note this as a suggestion 65 00:04:07.614 --> 00:04:11.234 that the perfect word that God wrote was Jesus. 66 00:04:11.694 --> 00:04:15.454 The Bible is God inspired, but human made. So it's bound 67 00:04:15.454 --> 00:04:19.190 by our human limitations of understanding. I believe 68 00:04:19.190 --> 00:04:22.790 the Bible is true in so much as the people who wrote it 69 00:04:22.790 --> 00:04:26.630 believed what they wrote, but their ways of interpreting their 70 00:04:26.630 --> 00:04:30.405 experiences may not be how we would interpret our 71 00:04:30.405 --> 00:04:33.945 experiences today. They employed different 72 00:04:34.085 --> 00:04:37.925 hermeneutics. Yeah. It comes back around to that. So it's 73 00:04:37.925 --> 00:04:41.629 possible that how they recorded their experience may not be how we 74 00:04:41.629 --> 00:04:45.389 would record our experiences today, especially when it comes to things 75 00:04:45.389 --> 00:04:49.169 like spiritual mediums, such as the witch of vendor. 76 00:04:49.710 --> 00:04:53.475 Now, if we want to lean into tradition in regards 77 00:04:53.535 --> 00:04:57.295 to the existence of ghosts, and remember, tradition 78 00:04:57.295 --> 00:05:00.435 is another one of our 4 fold quadrilateral 79 00:05:00.815 --> 00:05:04.495 parts here. If we lean into tradition, we have a 80 00:05:04.495 --> 00:05:08.015 fascinating, scintillating story from our 81 00:05:08.015 --> 00:05:11.430 Methodist past. You see, John Wesley's childhood 82 00:05:11.430 --> 00:05:14.810 home was reportedly haunted. In 17/16, 83 00:05:15.430 --> 00:05:19.190 the family began hearing groans and knocks about the 84 00:05:19.190 --> 00:05:22.949 house. The activity escalated to phantom footsteps and rattling 85 00:05:22.949 --> 00:05:26.245 noises, and then to furniture being moved. 86 00:05:26.465 --> 00:05:30.225 Ultimately, there was this exorcist movie type moment when 87 00:05:30.225 --> 00:05:33.685 the beds of 1 of the children levitated. 88 00:05:34.465 --> 00:05:38.160 The family gave the entity the name of old Jeffrey. Maybe 89 00:05:38.160 --> 00:05:41.600 the naming would help diminish their fear, but the events 90 00:05:41.600 --> 00:05:45.199 continued. They bought a giant dog, a mastiff in hopes 91 00:05:45.199 --> 00:05:48.560 that the dog might scare the entity away, but the dog just hid 92 00:05:48.560 --> 00:05:52.255 whenever Jeffrey acted up. Jeffrey wasn't all 93 00:05:52.255 --> 00:05:56.014 that terrible though. John's mother, Susanna, told the ghost that she was 94 00:05:56.014 --> 00:05:59.855 not to be bothered between 5 and 6 PM because that 95 00:05:59.855 --> 00:06:03.215 was prayer time. And apparently, Jeffrey respected the 96 00:06:03.215 --> 00:06:06.639 request. Then in 17/17, the haunting 97 00:06:06.639 --> 00:06:10.400 abruptly stopped. Now, John was at boarding school during 98 00:06:10.400 --> 00:06:14.240 the old Jeffrey infestation, and there's no account of him having 99 00:06:14.240 --> 00:06:18.005 direct encounters. But John did believe in ghosts and thought that they 100 00:06:18.005 --> 00:06:21.465 might be evidence of a spiritual world. And therefore 101 00:06:21.845 --> 00:06:25.685 that might be evidence of God. I don't see a 102 00:06:25.685 --> 00:06:29.280 lot of Christianity as a whole, including the United Methodist church 103 00:06:29.680 --> 00:06:33.120 endorsing today, a belief in ghosts, at least not in the way that we think 104 00:06:33.120 --> 00:06:36.880 of them in pop culture. Instead, we focus in 105 00:06:36.880 --> 00:06:40.400 the Christian world on what happens after death. United 106 00:06:40.400 --> 00:06:44.115 Methodist believe in resurrection and eternal life. We trust 107 00:06:44.115 --> 00:06:47.635 in God's promise that death is not the end. And in that sense, our 108 00:06:47.635 --> 00:06:51.395 belief in life after death, doesn't leave a lot 109 00:06:51.395 --> 00:06:54.915 of room for lingering spirits on earth, at least 110 00:06:54.915 --> 00:06:58.639 in not in the temporal moment 111 00:06:58.639 --> 00:07:02.480 or the physical sense reading through Paul's thoughts 112 00:07:02.480 --> 00:07:06.080 in the new Testament, we can infer his belief was that people 113 00:07:06.080 --> 00:07:09.840 died and then they awoke in the resurrection. And to me, that sounds a 114 00:07:09.840 --> 00:07:13.360 bit like what we might encounter under anesthetic we're 115 00:07:13.360 --> 00:07:17.095 awake and then we're awake again. Right? Paul might say 116 00:07:17.095 --> 00:07:20.775 we're alive and then we're alive again. Well, that 117 00:07:20.775 --> 00:07:24.215 doesn't leave room for individual spirits to interact with the 118 00:07:24.215 --> 00:07:27.880 living. In the meantime, that said there are 119 00:07:27.880 --> 00:07:31.720 Christian beliefs about the spiritual or, I'm sorry about the super 120 00:07:31.720 --> 00:07:35.560 natural things like angels, demons, and 121 00:07:35.560 --> 00:07:39.260 spiritual forces. And it's important to acknowledge that for some people 122 00:07:39.645 --> 00:07:43.105 feeling a presence or experiencing something supernatural 123 00:07:44.125 --> 00:07:47.264 might be a way they process grief or loss, 124 00:07:47.965 --> 00:07:51.805 and that doesn't make that feeling any less real. We carry 125 00:07:51.805 --> 00:07:55.640 people with us. And so we do feel them even after they've 126 00:07:55.640 --> 00:07:59.480 departed United Methodism, like much of Christianity leaves 127 00:07:59.480 --> 00:08:02.860 room for mystery. Not everything is easily explained. 128 00:08:03.240 --> 00:08:07.044 And that's okay. In my experience, the 129 00:08:07.044 --> 00:08:10.884 closest I've come to a coastly encounter was staying overnight in 130 00:08:10.884 --> 00:08:14.405 an old cabin and just feeling uneasy, but there were not 131 00:08:14.405 --> 00:08:17.944 manifestations, no strange knocks, no levitating 132 00:08:18.004 --> 00:08:21.220 beds in my experience, but I was afraid. 133 00:08:21.920 --> 00:08:24.980 So let's talk about the spirituality 134 00:08:25.680 --> 00:08:26.900 of fear. 135 00:08:32.000 --> 00:08:35.595 Fear is a ginormous part of Halloween. Right? We tell scary 136 00:08:35.735 --> 00:08:39.115 stories. We go through haunted houses and watch horror movies, 137 00:08:39.255 --> 00:08:42.934 but fear is also something that we deal with in the everyday, whether 138 00:08:42.934 --> 00:08:46.395 that's a fear of the future or a fear of failure, 139 00:08:46.855 --> 00:08:50.410 a fear of being wrong, a fear of something supernatural, 140 00:08:50.950 --> 00:08:54.630 or a fear of loss. So how does fear fit into a 141 00:08:54.630 --> 00:08:58.250 spiritual life? Again, as United Methodists, we believe that fear 142 00:08:58.630 --> 00:09:02.475 doesn't have to control us. There's a well known verse in the 143 00:09:02.475 --> 00:09:06.315 Bible that says, there is no fear in love, but 144 00:09:06.315 --> 00:09:09.995 perfect love casts out fear. In other words, when we trust 145 00:09:09.995 --> 00:09:13.529 in God's love for us, that love is 146 00:09:13.529 --> 00:09:16.510 stronger than any fear that we might feel. 147 00:09:17.130 --> 00:09:20.890 But here's the thing. Having that faith in that 148 00:09:20.890 --> 00:09:24.190 love isn't about pretending that we're never afraid. 149 00:09:24.490 --> 00:09:28.334 It's about finding courage in the midst of fear. 150 00:09:28.334 --> 00:09:31.935 It's about trusting that we're not alone even when life gets 151 00:09:31.935 --> 00:09:35.695 overwhelming. Maybe the ghosts that we're really scared of 152 00:09:35.695 --> 00:09:39.375 aren't the ones in haunted houses, but they're the fears that haunt us 153 00:09:39.375 --> 00:09:42.870 every day. Things like insecurity, anger, or 154 00:09:42.870 --> 00:09:46.410 regret. And in the Christian faith, there's a promise 155 00:09:46.870 --> 00:09:50.649 that we're not facing those things alone. There's also, 156 00:09:50.709 --> 00:09:54.470 again, the promise of resurrection, and that promise means that the thing that we're 157 00:09:54.470 --> 00:09:58.165 facing right now is not the end thing. 158 00:09:58.785 --> 00:10:02.465 Revelation talks about a reality in which there's no 159 00:10:02.465 --> 00:10:06.225 more crying, suffering, or pain. All the old ways are gone 160 00:10:06.225 --> 00:10:09.985 or the former things have passed away. It's a vision of 161 00:10:09.985 --> 00:10:13.090 life set to rights. This is a very 162 00:10:13.470 --> 00:10:14.930 hopeful vision. 163 00:10:19.150 --> 00:10:22.830 Let's then consider death. One of these things that we might be 164 00:10:22.830 --> 00:10:26.365 afraid of. Our question becomes, what happens after we 165 00:10:26.365 --> 00:10:29.805 die? Our fear is centered on questions about what comes 166 00:10:29.805 --> 00:10:33.565 next. Halloween often gets us thinking about death in 167 00:10:33.565 --> 00:10:37.085 the afterlife, but in a very spooky shadowy way, 168 00:10:37.085 --> 00:10:40.430 Christians believe that death is not the final word. 169 00:10:40.570 --> 00:10:43.790 United Methodists hold onto the hope of resurrection 170 00:10:44.570 --> 00:10:48.350 just as Jesus was resurrected. We believe in eternal life. 171 00:10:48.410 --> 00:10:51.930 In other words, death is a transition into something deeper, 172 00:10:51.930 --> 00:10:55.425 something beyond what we can see in the here and now. 173 00:10:55.665 --> 00:10:59.265 Some may characterize that as living on in heaven. Some might 174 00:10:59.265 --> 00:11:03.105 suggest that we will be resurrected physically just as Jesus was, but in 175 00:11:03.105 --> 00:11:06.245 a perfected universe where all is set to rights, 176 00:11:07.185 --> 00:11:10.889 but, and this is key for spiritual seekers like you. What 177 00:11:10.889 --> 00:11:13.629 does that actually look like to be resurrected? 178 00:11:14.490 --> 00:11:18.329 Well, that's a mystery. We don't claim to have all the answers. The 179 00:11:18.329 --> 00:11:21.690 United Methodist perspective is more focused on living a meaningful, 180 00:11:21.690 --> 00:11:25.129 faithful life. Now it's about trusting that whatever comes 181 00:11:25.129 --> 00:11:28.945 next, God's love holds us. So the only thing I 182 00:11:28.945 --> 00:11:32.405 can claim with certainty is that God 183 00:11:32.465 --> 00:11:35.765 continues to love us even after our time 184 00:11:36.305 --> 00:11:40.110 in this temporal world is up. Now that 185 00:11:40.110 --> 00:11:43.790 makes me wonder about planes of existence beyond what we 186 00:11:43.790 --> 00:11:47.630 experience in the world. Are there other planes of existence on 187 00:11:47.630 --> 00:11:51.230 top of this one where angels and demons and spiritual 188 00:11:51.230 --> 00:11:55.035 forces are at work? These are real concepts in the Christian 189 00:11:55.035 --> 00:11:58.875 faith, and you'll find them mentioned in the Bible, but they may often 190 00:11:58.875 --> 00:12:02.715 be misunderstood or sensationalized. For example, there 191 00:12:02.715 --> 00:12:06.475 are a couple words in the Bible that we translate into English as 192 00:12:06.475 --> 00:12:10.290 angel. One of those words, Malick. Oh, this 193 00:12:10.290 --> 00:12:13.970 is the 2nd star wars reference because in nights of the old Republic, 194 00:12:13.970 --> 00:12:17.329 there's Darth Malick, which may mean 195 00:12:17.329 --> 00:12:21.170 messenger. And in this case, one of the words that we translate out of 196 00:12:21.170 --> 00:12:24.735 the Bible was originally written as Malek. And that 197 00:12:24.735 --> 00:12:28.495 means messenger. We translate that often into angel. When 198 00:12:28.495 --> 00:12:32.274 someone is receiving a message from God, then sometimes the suggestion 199 00:12:32.415 --> 00:12:36.254 is that this is coming through an angel though. They may, that 200 00:12:36.254 --> 00:12:39.650 may not have been the case. They just received a 201 00:12:39.650 --> 00:12:43.490 message from God. But in other cases, the suggestion is 202 00:12:43.490 --> 00:12:47.170 that real entities take action. Like when angels free 203 00:12:47.170 --> 00:12:50.770 Paul from prison for United Methodist angels are 204 00:12:50.770 --> 00:12:54.545 seen as messengers of God, sometimes playing a role in human 205 00:12:54.545 --> 00:12:58.165 events, but they're not again, the pop culture versions with halos 206 00:12:58.225 --> 00:13:01.665 and wings and then demons. Well, the Christian 207 00:13:01.665 --> 00:13:05.285 tradition acknowledges the presence of evil in the world, 208 00:13:05.550 --> 00:13:09.310 but it's not necessarily the horned creatures that you see on TV or that are 209 00:13:09.310 --> 00:13:12.130 taking possession of people. Instead, it's the more subtle 210 00:13:12.830 --> 00:13:16.510 insidious ways that hatred division and 211 00:13:16.510 --> 00:13:19.490 cruelty take root in our lives and world. 212 00:13:19.975 --> 00:13:23.275 Personally, I think attributing evil happenings to supernatural 213 00:13:23.575 --> 00:13:27.335 forces sometimes becomes a cop out. It's like 214 00:13:27.335 --> 00:13:30.955 comedian flip Wilson used to say the devil made me do it. 215 00:13:31.255 --> 00:13:34.620 Truthfully, we're compliant in our own 216 00:13:34.620 --> 00:13:38.300 acts of evil. When we ignore the needy among us or 217 00:13:38.300 --> 00:13:42.139 we disparage the vulnerable, that's us. I don't think 218 00:13:42.139 --> 00:13:45.519 that some evil personality is compelling 219 00:13:46.045 --> 00:13:49.745 our behavior. The good news is that love 220 00:13:50.125 --> 00:13:53.645 God's love is more powerful than any force of evil. United 221 00:13:53.645 --> 00:13:57.425 Methodists believe in working for justice, peace, and reconciliation 222 00:13:58.285 --> 00:14:02.129 as a way of overcoming evil in the world. So you don't 223 00:14:02.129 --> 00:14:05.730 have to be a perfect person of faith to do that work. And, yeah, you 224 00:14:05.730 --> 00:14:07.670 can also beat down the demons of the world. 225 00:14:12.449 --> 00:14:15.975 Now many Christians abstain from Halloween because of the 226 00:14:15.975 --> 00:14:19.654 proliferation of demonic imagery. So you might be 227 00:14:19.654 --> 00:14:23.415 wondering, should Christians celebrate Halloween? Isn't it kind 228 00:14:23.415 --> 00:14:27.255 of, you know, unholy? Well, here's the United 229 00:14:27.255 --> 00:14:30.960 Methodist take. Halloween can be fun. It's an opportunity 230 00:14:31.260 --> 00:14:35.020 for community, creativity, and connection. But we 231 00:14:35.020 --> 00:14:38.800 also recognize that Halloween has its roots in the Christian calendar. 232 00:14:38.860 --> 00:14:42.620 It's followed by All Saints Day, a day when we remember and celebrate 233 00:14:42.620 --> 00:14:46.395 the lives of those who have passed on. People who have influenced in 234 00:14:46.395 --> 00:14:50.095 faith, encouraged us and inspired us in our own spiritual 235 00:14:50.154 --> 00:14:53.135 journeys. So from a United Methodist perspective, 236 00:14:53.595 --> 00:14:57.355 celebrating Halloween, isn't about glorifying evil is about facing 237 00:14:57.355 --> 00:15:00.930 our fears, honoring those who came before us and reminding 238 00:15:00.930 --> 00:15:04.290 ourselves that love and life has the 239 00:15:04.290 --> 00:15:07.910 final word. And also it's not compulsory 240 00:15:08.209 --> 00:15:12.050 or mandatory. You don't have to do it. I want 241 00:15:12.050 --> 00:15:15.635 to end on this thought. Many of us feel haunted, 242 00:15:15.855 --> 00:15:19.475 not by ghosts, but instead by our past. There are regrets, 243 00:15:19.935 --> 00:15:23.555 mistakes, things we wish we'd done differently. Right? 244 00:15:23.775 --> 00:15:27.315 Those are the things which haunt us. Again, for United Methodist, 245 00:15:27.770 --> 00:15:31.150 forgiveness is a central part of our faith. It's not about 246 00:15:31.370 --> 00:15:35.210 denying what happened, but about recognizing that we can be 247 00:15:35.210 --> 00:15:38.570 made new. In our tradition, grace is a big 248 00:15:38.570 --> 00:15:42.315 thing. Grace means that we are loved not because we're perfect, but 249 00:15:42.315 --> 00:15:46.075 because God's love is unconditional. God loves us. There's 250 00:15:46.075 --> 00:15:49.835 nothing we can do about it. There's hope in that. Whatever might be 251 00:15:49.835 --> 00:15:52.575 haunting you from your past, there's a way forward. 252 00:15:56.330 --> 00:15:59.930 Now, as you celebrate this spooky season, I invite you to think 253 00:15:59.930 --> 00:16:03.370 about these deeper spiritual questions. What's haunting 254 00:16:03.370 --> 00:16:07.210 you? Where can you find hope and how might faith, 255 00:16:07.210 --> 00:16:10.964 however mysterious it seems help you face the 256 00:16:10.964 --> 00:16:14.644 unknown. Thanks for joining me in this Halloween themed 257 00:16:14.644 --> 00:16:18.324 episode of compass. If you're interested in exploring more 258 00:16:18.324 --> 00:16:22.004 questions like this, subscribe to the podcast. New episodes of 259 00:16:22.004 --> 00:16:25.490 compass come out every other Wednesday. My name is Ryan Dunn. 260 00:16:25.630 --> 00:16:29.389 Compass is a production of United Methodist Communications. Big 261 00:16:29.389 --> 00:16:33.070 thanks to the whole team who make this possible. I'll chat at you 262 00:16:33.070 --> 00:16:36.509 again soon. In the meantime, enjoy your fall season and peace to 263 00:16:36.509 --> 00:16:37.009 you.