Good day to you and welcome to Compass Finding Spirituality in the
Everyday. I'm Ryan Dunn. In this episode, we're joined by
Edith and Randy Woodley who share their unique journey
in integrating spirituality, environmental consciousness,
and community living. They manage the Eloheh Indigenous Center
For Earth Justice on their 10 acre farm. And in this
conversation, we're gonna talk about pursuing contentment
over happiness as we explore ideas like sustainable
land management, the interconnectedness of all
living things, and serving the broader community
of life. We'll hear about their farm's harmonious integration with nature,
their advocacy for small scale sustainable farming,
and their own practical advice for connecting with the environment
even for urban dwellers. The Woodleys also discuss their
book which is called Journey to to Eloi, and they share their
personal stories that highlight the deep spiritual lessons they've
learned along the way. Join us as we explore the
profound insights of Edith and Randy Woodley on creating
a balanced, harmonious life in tune with the natural world.
We're going to talk about life and living well, some
kind of light existential topics with the Woodleys. So as
we are talking about life, we're recording this on a Tuesday morning for
y'all. What does life look like for the Woodleys today?
Oh, my gosh. I'm not sure you really even wanna know
that. You can give us the,
the Instagram version if you so choose. Yeah. So,
well, I retired 2 years ago from teaching
at Portland Seminary, and
I I haven't been busier in my whole life since then.
So, we have our farm here. We have our schools.
We speak at places all around the country and Canada.
I'm writing books. Edith's finally writing a book. We
just got our book done together. I'm writing I've already started a
new one now. Just getting the contract for that. And, oh, we've
got lots of things going on. I I
teach every now and then at the Center For Action Contemplation down in
Albuquerque. And then on top of that,
family wise, we've got currently 3 of our 4
grown kids living on the campus with us here. So that's and and and a
grandson. So, that makes life, interesting, you
know, dealing with adult kids. Sure. Yeah. I
don't know. Life's a little bit crazy around here. Well, you
know, this morning, it was fine. You know, it's we're just kinda
plugging right along. We got up. We had our coffee. We
able to just do do our thing that we do in the
morning, and, you know, just kinda
get our day going, ate breakfast, you know,
and just kinda get moving with the day, doing
laundry. We're, getting ready to go to,
Albuquerque on Friday. And so, you know,
getting everything situated with, you know, the house and with
our kids and with our staff and, you know, all those
different things that you have to do to before you leave home.
Yeah. And, making sure our critters are taken care
of while we're gone. We have a dog
and, 4 cats.
Four outside cats that live outside, and then our daughter
has 2 cats that are inside cats. And,
so, yeah, it's just, you know, and chickens. Mhmm.
So, you know, it's just, you know, all those basic every morning things that
a person does. Basic life on the farm. Yeah. Yeah. I think we have
to name that part of your existence is living life on the farm
and, in feeling that sense
of connection with the the life around something like that.
You mentioned the books you're working on, the book that has brought
us together is Journey to Aloha. And a lot of times
when many of us speak about life, we defer to a
language around happiness where, oh, well, I'll just
be happy when blank happens or I just want to
be happy in life. In journey to Aloha, you talk about
life in a pursuit of well-being or pursuit of wellness. Can
you talk to us a little bit about the difference between happiness and
well-being? Yeah. And, it's pronounced Elohay?
Elohay. Thank you. Yeah. Elohay. It's a Cherokee word, basically
meaning a wholeness and, well-being and, and
everything's kinda as it should be. Not it's not perfect,
but, you know, there are remedies to sort of work things out.
Yeah. So Elahay is our the name of our farm. We're
Elahay Indigenous Center For Earth Justice and Elahay Farm and Seeds.
And, and our, organization is called Eilahy
slash eagle swings. So that's our legal entity.
Yeah. So, you know, it's
kinda like, you know, that the thinking like, oh, I'll just be happy when
I win the lottery. Right? Right.
Well, real quick on that note. This morning, I was
sitting with my grandson. The lottery. No. Oh, I can't And you
still made time for this. What noble people. This morning, I
was sitting with my grandson. He's got a head cold, and so he didn't go
to school this morning. And so I'm sitting with him. He's sitting at
the table working on some, Legos.
And I'm eating my breakfast, and he's sitting there. And he just leans over, and
he goes, you know what? Money don't bring
you happiness. I says, that's true.
Money don't bring you happiness. He says, but family
does. Mhmm. I said, yes. Family,
you bring me happiness. Your mom brings me happiness.
All my family brings me happiness. And he goes, okay.
And so, you know, he
he just said it right there. You know, for me,
family brings me happiness
and the wholeness of my family. And even though they go through
struggles every day, it's still
they're my children. We have 4 children, 6
grandkids, and they all bring me happiness. And
I don't see how a person can't be happy
if they have family. Okay. Well, all families aren't black. No.
That's true. All families aren't, you know
but we're not put together either. Right. We are
far from being put together. We have a lot of ups and
downs in our family. But, overall, my
family brings me happiness. So we're situated here on
10 acres. Part of that we leave for the,
wildlife. We leave a we kinda have the
middle section, and then we leave the the top end and the
bottom end, both for the animals to wander and sleep and do
all the things that they do. They're part of
the picture here too. They're part of the whole context. The Yes. The
water, that we distribute and use to grow plants
and then the plants themselves. And, you know, it's sort of,
and then we we are part of a bigger family. We have a community that,
we are involved with. And so
being happy is not just about what I get out of
it. Being happy is,
how we struggle and live
and come through and work through, the larger context.
Right? With the whole community of creation, what I call the whole community
of creation. And if,
if that if we stick with it, right, if that works and we
all work together, then my happiness actually becomes sort of a
byproduct of that. But, it's
certainly not, you know, the prime product. We're not just trying to
get what we can for ourselves. Yeah. And I don't think human beings were made
that way. I think, you know, if we wanna look at the the Genesis
stories in the beginning is a really good example of this perfect
harmony and balance and this whole idea of, you know, the
the the balance between, you know, the sun and the moon and the
wind and the the waters and the animals and the
flying things and all of those. And and then, human beings
are created, to basically be caretakers
of all of that. And we're the sort of most qualified for it.
We've got these, you know, fingers and thumbs and and, the
brain to do that. And and so
the first command is, tend the garden,
to toil the soil, to take care of the garden. And, I look
at the garden as the whole community of creation. So,
the first command wasn't make yourself happy. Mhmm. The
first command was, like, you're in this whole community of
creation now. Serve it. Right. Find out, you know,
what it needs. Bring the balance back. Bring the harmony back when
it goes out. And and if you wanna look at it, you know, this, the
the the eating from the tree that we have, you know, this this
we've mythologized so much is is really a misuse
of our role as human beings. We it's a misuse of the land.
There are certain ways that we're supposed to take care of the land and and
something we're not supposed to do. And and so, that's a lesson for me. And
so it doesn't matter if, like, I'm actually tending the soil and
taking care of all the little critters underneath and all the ones above and and
not trying to take everything for myself, but, you know, leaving for
them as well. Or if I'm working on the
problem of, human trafficking or missing and murdered indigenous
women or or or making wells for people who need water
or whatever it is, when I'm serving the,
whole community of creation and whatever aspect I'm called to do that,
then I'm fulfilling my purpose as a human being. That's what I was made to
do. And that's really more of what well-being is.
Was there a point in each of your lives respectively where
you had almost an realization that life
was more than the pursuit of happiness, but life was
more of the,
circular encouragement of, of a
sense of well-being, not just for yourselves, but for
for the creation or for the world.
I'm kinda an old guy, so I'm a boomer.
Right? And, and so but it
was during our days, you know, when as a a young person
in junior high and high school that the whole environmental
movement started. The Earth Day started in I think it was
1969 or 70, something like that. And,
and that's when I began to really be aware that, you know, there's something going
wrong here. And so I've been concerned about that ever since.
And, and that that was the the old hippie days. Right? So
everybody were earthies back then. Everybody was like, I grew up in a
community that had a lot of, hippies. I was right next to Ann Arbor,
Michigan, which is sort of like the hippie capital of the Midwest.
And, and and so everybody was talking
about it, you know, like, the ozone layer and how to not
pollute and all those kinds of things. And and so
but I think even before that, I was at a the only time I ever
went to a church camp, and and there was a full blood native guy that
was, a Ojibwe guy who was sort
of taking me under his wing, and he was talking about those
kinds of things and showing me, like, here's how you,
harvest Sassafras root and and and to say a
prayer and those kinds of things. And so,
you know, I guess it you know, and and and actually, I'm
kinda working my way back. My mother is very much
what I would call an environmentalist before the anyone ever knew
what the word was, I think. She's very close
to, creation, the birds, and the
animals, and the plants, and greenest thumb of anyone I've
ever known, both indoor and outdoor plants. And we grew up with a
giant garden, and and so I think, probably just,
through osmosis watching her talk to plants and
animals and birds and things was from as a kid, that was sort of,
like, flew me in that there was something more than myself going on. I wanna
help you. Let's see. I was
my moment came when,
later in life. It
it happened when I was outside with our oldest
grandson. He was just maybe 2 years
old. And I was
picking, we have on our farm. We
were we had some berry bushes, and I was out there picking some with
him. And a story came to my mind.
And in that story,
is a story that my brother told me when I was a
kid. And, within
that story is where we were out picking berries,
and my brother said, stop. And
he said, you got to leave the top
for the winged animals and the bigger animals
and the bottom for all the smaller animals so that they have another
day to live. And we pick in the middle.
And then we can there's a bunch of bushes here, so we can go on
and we can we still get what we want, but we're also leaving
stuff for the animals. All the
animals. The bugs, birds, etc.
And so it was like, okay. That's my brother.
Okay. Yeah. Whatever. He's always saying stuff like this. It was like, okay. Okay. Okay.
We'll do what you said. And then
yeah. You know, I was doing all this stuff already, you know,
doing gardens with Randy and all this kind of stuff. But
and, yeah, I knew there was something going on with the
earth, and I knew the weather's, you know, started
to change, and, and it's not for the good.
There's more hurricanes, more tornadoes, more earth you know, all these
different things are happening. And the
summers are getting hotter. The winters are getting
weird also. So,
but I just didn't really think much about it
until that moment when my
brother told me that story,
it hit me as I was picking
berries with my grandson.
I noticed that when talking about the farm, you say you
live on the middle of it And and
you leave the the top and the bottom. Is that where that terminology comes
from? How did that story? Well, I think that happened naturally.
Yeah. It was just the way the farm was laid out. But And it wasn't
a farm. It hadn't been a farm for 35 years. We're we're this is our
3rd farm. We've started from scratch. We're kinda experts at starting farms now. And
I'm not not talking about running them, just starting. Let's start. And
so, but it kinda the way the the land is laid out
is that there's a hardwoods and a big plum thicket up on the top
end. Part. Yeah. And then a sort of a, scrub forest,
if you will, down on the bottom. Probably,
I don't know, 2 acres on each side maybe, and then we sort of had
the The middle part. Yeah. The, 6 acres,
4 or 5, 6 acres in the middle and it's not exactly laid out that
way. But then we've also created a a sort of a,
a walkway about a probably about 20, 30 yards
wide, section next to the road where we
we fenced it off and put brush up against it. And so
the animals who want can kinda walk up and down the
property without having to, you know, worry about seeing humans.
But like the deer now, they just they just kinda walk all over. They just
walk everywhere. But Yeah. But that's just kinda how it happened. But, yeah, you
brought that up. It's, it's interesting that it well, it kinda goes with
her story, doesn't it? Mhmm. It it kinda does. Pick up the middle. Yeah. But
it's just something that, you
know, it just hit us. It just hit me at that point in
life, in my life. And that's when it was, as
you were saying, that kind of little moment.
And, from that point on,
everything changed for me. Yeah. I started looking
at creation in a whole different way,
and I started looking at
the animals and the plants and the trees and even the
bugs and the spiders and, you know, all these things
that, you know, I didn't like.
You know Mhmm. Creepy crawly things and but
they're all a part of creation. Yeah.
We've And so it's like they all have
this role to play. Yeah. We've all been
taught, you know, we've been taught over the years from our elders how
to respect life in general, you know, even the
spiders. When you see a spider in your house, grab a Kleenex
and take it out and tell it not to come back in the house. You
you're you're welcome, but not inside the house, you know, kind of the thing.
And so and we talked to, you know, the hawks when, you know, don't eat
our chickens. We need the chickens. You know? We need those eggs. You
can eat all the mice you want, but, you know, not the chickens.
And so, yeah, it's just, we we realized
that we're part of the we're just a part of this
whole thing. It doesn't belong to us. We're not the
central feature of it all, but we are a part of it all. And so
when we go to a place like this, our land, we just
sort of look and we say, how do we sort of bend it to our
needs without breaking it from its other purposes, without
robbing from, you know, all the other creatures that that share this land?
Yeah. And, you know, there's it's just amazing what,
the rewards that you have by Right. Seeing the different,
birds, eagles and hawks, and woodpeckers, and songbirds, and
hummingbirds, and, you know, deer and elk and all the rest that that
come around just to to enjoy. Not only that, but, you know, we're
seeing, when we moved on to this property, we're
seeing, nature, like, plants
and flowers, you know, the original,
what do you call it? Native plants. Native plants Mhmm. Yeah. Coming back onto the
property because, you know, we've cleared areas
and, kind of some invasive plants or just
totally unwanted weeds and stuff like this. You know?
We cleaned them all up and everything. And then all of a sudden, the next
spring, boom. We're getting these beautiful native
plants are coming back. And it's just like you know, this is
all of creation, and, you know, we're just caretakers of
it. We don't lord over it. We don't, you know,
make it do what we want it to do. We let it be the
way the creator made it. So
there's a sense of relationship in that. And in fact, the the ten
values that that you lay out in the book, a lot
of them center on being mindful about our relationships
to different things. Has there been
some ways that, running the farm or farms
has impacted your relationships with people,
especially in terms of building community or being part of community?
Yeah. I think it's, the the the hardest task has
been to integrate people from the city
to sort of, like, understand, like, for example, when we have our ceremonies
out here, that they're they're so related to
the land that we're on. Right? Rather than just being some sort of out
of context thing. And so, some people kinda get that.
Like, when we have our schools, for example, we have these 4 day schools,
and and people connect with the land and each other, and they they
understand the the whole, atmosphere of respect
and reciprocity in our relationship to, you know,
and the these this land being our relative and,
but it takes a while sometimes for Western thinkers to
sort of allow themselves to let that happen to when we first
sort of started moving this direction, you know, we said you know,
people said, well, what are you doing? We're like, well, we're giving people
permission to love the earth again because we're all made to do that.
We're all made to to learn from and love this,
land that we've been put on by creator and,
wherever that land is. And so, to to learn
how to take care of it is really important, and to learn how to understand
it as your relative is is really important. So I
think that's the biggest sort of contrast and the
biggest challenge. But, for us
for me personally, I I don't really see
people as much as individuals anymore. I see them as people who are
in a a context, a wider context, and and I always wonder what
that context is and how it affects. Yeah.
I wanna talk about he brought up the word individual, a part
that pricked me or stood out to me.
In what you wrote was, in
paying attention to increasing friendships and in
family. And within that you have a subsection
about rejecting individualism, which
is pretty counter cultural in,
in the context in which we exist. Can you share what it looks like
a little bit to reject or healthily reject individualism?
For me, it's like individualism is
you just say you take the farm. Right? And you're
like, okay. I'm gonna make it the most beautiful,
productive looking farm.
So I am going to bring in, and I'm
gonna clean it all up. I'm gonna get rid of,
all these invasive plants. I'm gonna, you know,
spray stuff on it and, kill all the weeds,
and I'm gonna make it very pristine.
Spray fertilizer. And I'm gonna make it so that
everything grows the way I want it to grow.
And then when I look at it
as a group collaborative, whatever, you know,
bringing other people in, we're not just bringing
other people into our space,
we're inviting them to be a part, not to look
at the space and go, oh, look how beautiful I made this.
No. It's like, oh, look what
we as a group can do
to make this a beautiful place and not
pristine, because we're not just doing it for,
you know, humans. We're doing it for the animals around us and the birds and
the bugs and stuff like this. So let me give an example what she's
talking about. So so, people take their weeds out every year
after the flowers bloom. Right? Well, there are lots of bugs,
good good helpful bugs that make their winter homes in
those stalks of those flowers and other things.
The roots, in the ground start to
deteriorate and go back compost back into the
ground and create a richness for the soil, which creates more beneficial
bacteria underneath. But you look at it and you go,
oh, there's a bunch of weeds all over this place. Right? Mhmm.
And and the the bottom line is no. We're concerned about
everything, not just how we look or how for ourselves.
Also, we don't really burn brush piles around here too much.
We create these brush piles and, set
them to one side and and so that the quail and the rabbits and the
squirrels and the mice have a place to to go. And so, yeah.
And and so the farm doesn't look like, when you see the pictures
of, you know, the the couple with the
pitchfork and the farm in the back and the red bars.
Yeah. And and but, I think
if we were individuals, you know, very individualistic about
it, then that's what we'd be concerned with. But
so we're probably the most individualistic country that's
ever lived in the history of the world. Right? We are just
totally people about ourselves. Everybody's living, you
know, 2.2 2 children in their with
their garage in the suburbs. And, you know, and we've created spent
so much money trying to create this nuclear
family and, you know, and I think it actually has created
sort of a schizophrenia, social schizophrenia.
You know, everybody trying to get to work and back and and, you
know, rush and beep your horns and just Get your kids
to sports and dance recitals and,
you know And it's like everybody's gotta have their own individual
thing going on and and, just not
I don't wanna be driven that way, you know. I mean, yeah, it
feels good when I get something for myself. You know, I'm not saying that that
doesn't feel good, but, that's not a very
sustainable future when I just think about myself.
It's when I think about everything else in context when I begin to go,
oh, we may have a future after all. And then And so it's
not just a rejection of self, but it is a sense of
participation in something larger than one
person? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, happiness, like I said, is a is a byproduct of
the big picture, not not the prime product we strive for.
And as we have schools and other people come on the
property, you know, we we tell them about all these things,
and we're inviting them into
to be a part of what we're doing. Not to
look at it as this pristine place, but as a part of
this it may look chaotic. It may look Sorry. No. I
can't. It may look chaotic or it may look, you
know, not very well trimmed up and stuff like this, but it
doesn't need to be that way. And people need to
understand that when you come together like this,
it's gonna be chaotic, and it's gonna be not, you know, pretty
and sometimes. But, you know, as long as that
togetherness is there and we're thinking together
about the whole body of creation,
then it just you kinda get out of that individualism.
And think about that sort of metaphor, if you will, for people.
You know, we're messy. Right? Our lives are all messy and everything. But if we
stick together, you know, in community together,
it it it may not be pretty as, like, the outside appearance when we
first met. Right. You know? But, but it's more real,
and it's and something of more value comes out of
it. When you have groups come out to work at the
farm, are there certain activities that seem
to awaken in them,
a sense of participation in the whole community and that,
that rejection of individualism?
Yeah. And and we don't just have work groups. We also have schools. So,
but even in the schools, they we have them work an hour just so they
kinda get their hands in the dirt. Right? So,
yeah, I I think,
you know, they there's when we I
well, talk about what you do with the schools. That's a good
example, probably. So what I do is I
I give them I talk.
We on the day that I do a lot of teaching
is, I have them sit around, I tell them my
story, tell them about, how I
view creation, And
then, and then they go out, they get their hands
dirty, and they get a sense of actually
understanding what it's like to work a
farm, work the land, and being not just that, but
being a part of it. Right? Helping the
plants have more space to grow within their beds of
growing, you know, like getting rid of all those little unwanted,
weeds and stuff, or whatever else needs to be done.
And so they get that hour with their hands
doing the actual work. And then
then there's a break and then so on. And then later in the afternoon,
I tell them that they, they're gonna go,
and they're gonna sit on the land anywhere on the
property that they want. They can just go.
They sit. They they have to leave everything behind.
They can't take any bags. They can't take their phones,
or nothing. Pencil, paper, nothing. They just go and
sit and experience creation in
its wonders. Listen to the wind.
Listen to the bugs that fly around you, or that
are crawling, the ants, you know, and
sit quietly. Calm your mind. Take
deep breaths. And you've heard of that,
that term, forest bathing, right? And that's
what I have them do. I just have them go
out. Do whatever you need to do, but just
go out, empty your mind, and just experience
creation in its whole, and see what
the creator speaks to you. And
it and it may not be, oh, here. This is
what I want you to learn. No. It's gonna be in a form of a
butterfly, or it's gonna be in a form of an ant, or
even a spider. And
so that's, then they come back, and then I have them share.
And the first time I did this, they were very reluctant to
share. And there's this one
guy, he, first time, he's
like, yeah, well, he was very skeptical about
it. But, he's the leader of this one
group that comes twice a year, that
brings a group here. And, but
over the past several years that he has been coming and he's been
participating in that every time, he
has changed. He is like,
this is beautiful. He's learning from
all of this of creation, and just being
able to sit quietly and listen
to what the creator is speaking to him
about. And,
so it's just it's really amazing to
see how people who live in the cities or in bigger
towns and stuff like this, and don't really get out into nature,
and what they come back and
experience. And
they're just like, this is just beautiful.
Yeah. And if we think about our own happiness, you know, creator
actually did some remarkable things that most
people don't know about. But when you get your hands in the soil,
there's, you know, there's something that releases hormones in us that,
you know, that that make us feel good. And and it's the same thing with
being out in the forest. The forest actually release some sort
of, endorphin producing chemical
that makes us feel better from being out there. And so, we're
actually made to be doing these kinds of things.
Are there some ways, that you can think
of where maybe somebody
is in an environment where they, they can't,
on a daily basis, jump into a completely natural
surrounding, whether you able to fully immerse in forest bathing,
on a daily basis, are there other ways that they can begin to
practice the harmony way or embody some of those values?
I, I have told people on
several occasions that, you know, someone would say, well, you know, I don't
live I live in apartments, and I live in the middle of a big city,
and, you know, how do I do it? I said, well, you know, you have
parks around you. And even if they're not accessible to
you, sometimes just opening up your
windows sometimes and getting some fresh air, letting
that sun hit you, and
try to quiet your mind through all that, sometimes you can
do that also. Mhmm. And, you know,
you'll see a fly come flying into your window, or you
know, an ant or something on your windowsill or something, and that's a part of
creation. Yes, you're in the city,
but you know, I said, I've
told people to look for
creation no matter where you live.
Yeah. You're part of a ecological, you know, environment, no matter where
you are. You you look around you, there's gonna be birds, there's gonna be, you
know, other kinds of maybe rodents or whatever else. But there's
there's there's an environment where you're at and you're part of it. So the
question is really, like, how do I actually make it more beneficial for all of
us? So, but I've also told people, hey. You know,
just I mean, if nothing else grow a tomato plant on your backyard, in your
backyard. Port. You know, porch or whatever patio or that. Yes.
Yeah. Because you're you're a part of of making
something come to life and help nourish it, and and it nourishes you
too. And so now there's a relationship. Right? Then you save the seeds from
that, and you pass them on to your neighbor, and and you have them do
it, you know. And now you've got a community of people growing
tomatoes or whatever it is, you know. Yeah. So, we
shouldn't let the fact that all people don't live in, you know, have 10
acres out in the country like us stop us from enjoying
creation. There's always ways to find creation
if you really wanna find it because it's
everywhere.
That is good.
Farming is, is communal work and certainly you're
inviting more people into, the practice and
the awareness. Where are some spaces where people
can, in a sense, visit what what you're doing or find out
some more information? Yeah. Well, we're
Eloheh.org. Elohay is spelled Elohehheh.
And, Eloheh.org is our our website, and we have
actually volunteer sign ups there.
And people can reach us through email,
the Elohehseeds.com. That's seeds, plural,
elohseeds.com. You can order
our seeds. We grow open pollinated seeds that are
plants are loved and none of them are GMO or
genetically altered or almost all of them are,
heirloom breeds, and a lot of them are Native American heirloom breeds. And
so, yeah, you can find out more about our farm there too. And and then
people who aren't near us, you know, there's something called, WOOF,
World Wide Organization of Organic Farming, I think it's called something.
WULFF F Farming. Yeah. In, WULFF USA. And,
anybody can go volunteer on a farm. If you don't have one around you, look
up WULFF and become a Wolf volunteer. And even if it's just for a day
somewhere, a lot of farmers need help. So and now the other
thing is that, you know, farming is,
there's farming and there's industrial farming. And you don't even have to
be a large place. You can be just small place like ours and still be
an industrial farmer. That means you're using chemicals. That means you're not concerned
about the rest of the community of creation.
And, you know, that that's kind of farming we don't need more
of. Don't volunteer for those places. But find people
who are doing, organic or organic practices,
small farms. United Nations did a study. It says we no longer
need industrial farms. The false small farms can actually save the
world and feed the world. They produce more,
nutrient rich packed foods. They produce less,
chemicals and less destruction to the overall community creation. They employ
more people, etcetera, etcetera. So if,
if we all would put our lobbying efforts
and our, our energy into small farms, we could feed the whole
world. And healthy non depleted
soil is a great carbon capture as well. Yeah. Definitely.
Yeah. Well, Woodley's, thank you so much for joining us on the Compass podcast.
Look forward to touching base more with you in the future. Okay.
You take care. All right. Thank you so much. Bye.
All right. Well, blessings to you on your own journey to
Eloheh and towards contentment. Do you want more compass?
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