Hi, and welcome to Compass Finding Spirituality in the
Everyday. My name is Ryan Dunn. I got to sit down with Hunter
Mobley, author, spiritual teacher, and Enneagram
expert to explore the journey from performance
driven faith to a soul centered spirituality.
Hunter opens up with us about his roots in evangelical and
Pentecostal Christianity, the burnout that inspired his
shift toward a more contemplative spiritual life, and
how discovering the Enneagram became a pathway to deeper
self awareness and transformation. Together,
we discussed the ways our personalities shape our
spiritual practices and why letting go is central
to true interchange and how simplifying
life creates space for the surprising movement of the spirit.
Whether you're new to something like the Enneagram or you've
been on your own journey of spiritual deconstruction, this
conversation is an invitation to explore the beauty
of living from the soul and embracing the holy in
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to you, our listener. Hunter Mobley's book is Letting
Go Finding You. You can find out all about Hunter
Mobley and check out more resources on the Enneagram at
huntermobley.com. So let's meet Hunter here on
the Compass podcast.
Well, Hunter, thanks for joining us in what's been a little bit of a crazy
season around Nashville. We've been awfully wet. How is your
internal state? How goes it with your soul? Thank you, Ryan. I'm so
glad to be joining you. I appreciate the invitation to be on this podcast. I
am I'm excited. My internal state is is pretty
pretty enthusiastic in this moment. There's just a lot of good work
to do, good work that I'm having the opportunity to do and excited to
to get this book out into the world that we're talking about some today. So
in the midst of a strange cultural zeitgeist moment where
where so much is happening around us in our families, in our
community, in our culture, in our church, in our world,
there is a a sense of inner joy and excitement as well. So,
I guess I'm I'm kinda sitting in the in the balance of all those things,
but excited to be here with you today. Cool. Well, thank you.
Speaking of the book and some of the names that you check-in there, it's clear
to me that we share some some modern day influences. Like, I was
reading about Barbara Brown Taylor and Brian McLaren.
However, I think our our Christian spiritual backgrounds
may differ slightly because you open up the book and talking about
five point spirituality. Yes. And I don't know what that is. So was
that a big part of your spiritual development? Yeah. You know, what I
what I describe as five step spirituality in the book is really a a way
of kinda making meaning to the evangelical Pentecostal background that
I I grew up in. So I was raised in Southern Baptist Church,
I migrated at some point toward more of a Pentecostal experience where I
had the opportunity to pastor a Pentecostal church for six
years in the Nashville area. But, really,
when I when I talk in the book about five step spirituality, I think so
much of my spiritual background in life was really about
sort of this take the hill. We're gonna do big things for God. We're gonna
figure out what the steps are. It's gonna be really hard. You
know? Buckle up, buckle in, but it's gonna be amazing.
And and that was really so much of the the spiritual
ethos that came from my evangelical experience. And
so I I you know, I think a lot of my spiritual past
was I thought, gosh. I gotta work really hard and try to do some big
things for God, and I gotta try to figure out all the the ways and
the steps. And we're gonna go up the hill, and it's gonna be tough, but
it's gonna be exciting. And, and so, right, I found
myself late in the game to more of a
contemplative approach to spirituality, integrating some other
ideas of thinking about matters of the soul and matters of
of spiritual practice. And so I've had to unlearn
a lot of the what for me was more of an
ego driven sense of, hey, you know, thank
goodness that that, you know, God's got me here to do some really big
things for him. And that's kinda what I,
you know and and hopefully a a way that's relatable and
also a way that we can find our own pathway into describe as that
five step spirituality that that characterized so much of my life
really before a contemplative journey began.
You know? Okay. So, actually, I feel like I do share that kind of
spiritual life, at least in having that expectation of,
needing to do the work. Yeah. And and if big things aren't
happening, this is where the trap comes in. You talk about it being ego
driven, then I must be missing something. Like, my faith
isn't enough. It it says some of what you started to run up against.
Yes. Absolutely. And I think I think, Ryan, I imagine from any of
our kind of Christian spiritual backgrounds, all of us that are
in the American South and in just The United States are
are steeped in some version of this
sort of take the hill, the the the chart is always going up,
kind of method and mentality to spirituality.
And ultimately, you know, there's everything contains
its opposite. I mean, that's certainly what the Enneagram teaches us. I think that's what
a lot of spirituality teaches us. There there's two things can be true. Everything
contains its opposite. There's a lot of wonderful things that
that I experienced in my faith life
growing up and and in my early adulthood.
But I think that what was under tended to and underdeveloped were matters of the
soul and really matters of fundamental personal
self transformation. So, you know, there was so much that
I I think I was felt like I needed to do for
God. Mhmm. And, there a lot of that was misguided
as well in in hindsight. But even the good
impulse of that may
have been producing or trying to produce good fruit in
some way, but the soul still remains kinda untended
to. And so that's where I really
found myself in in a stage where I
needed to explore spirituality that was
was committed to looking at the inner life and the inner witness and
seeing what was really going on with my soul and the development of my
soul. And that's where I found my my path and my my
journey toward contemplation. What inspired that shift in mindset?
Were you burning out? All sorts of things.
Burning up, burning out, burning through. You know?
Goodness, Ryan. So many things. I'll say
some personal things and some kind of larger corporate things. For
one, I was pastoring a large evangelical megachurch
in its second life, meaning that in a
season where sort of the big parade had passed by.
And so what what we were what we were always tasked
with doing from our congregants and
sort of even just from ourselves as leaders of this church was
feeling like, where can we find the new rabbit to
pull out of the hat to turn the clock back to be 1993
again? Yeah. And, of course, you know we all
know that there is no rabbit to pull out of the hat to turn the
clock. And and also, at the same time, thank goodness, there's no
rabbit to pull out of the hat to turn the clock back to 1993 again.
But so I've been I've been spending so many years just trying to
figure out how could we restart,
and reignite this kind of evangelical
mega experience in a way that we had it ten or
fifteen years ago? And, man, it just beat me
up, and and I was tired because, you know,
there are it's really a futile
experiment, because
world evolves, churches evolve, neighborhoods have evolved,
Nashville's evolved, faith has evolved, all it's good. You know, we we all
there's so much good in all that. And then personally,
Ryan, I was on a a personal journey of self exploration of my
own personal life, my own sexuality.
I've been, you know, a person who'd been raised in a very
traditional context and had had to suppress my
own just inner sense of my sexuality as a
gay man. And at some
point in life, it just I kinda looked up and thought, why am I doing
this? What what is all this about? What is all this for? So I'd
say things in in the cultural zeitgeist,
in the church that I was serving and had served in
my personal life in the world as I watched
our country move more toward a Christian nationalism,
iteration that just didn't resonate with my worldview or
spirit or so. All those things just made what I
had felt so committed to in conservative, evangelical,
Pentecostal spirituality in my first thirty
years of life just feel like they no longer
rang true for me. And so I found myself,
like so many of us, in kind of that deconstructing reconstructing
world, and, I still felt fundamentally
compelled by the Christian story and the Christian experience and the life and
the witness of Jesus and the way of Jesus. And so I
wasn't ready to just throw it all out, but I felt
compelled to to discover and discern if there was
another way that I could hook into that story and that experience
that was different from the way that I had hooked
into it in the past. Well, tell me
about coming to the Enneagram movement, the
Enneagram mindset. It's it's, your work now is
so ensconced in that area. So It is. When
did that come about? Well, you know, it's kinda perfect. So I Ryan, I'm an
Enneagram two. And so, any your listeners
who follow the Enneagram will know that Enneagram twos are
relationship people. We're we're connectors. We like to make relationships. We like to
meet people. And, you know, that's our blessing and
our curse in many ways. But so the way that I was first
introduced to the Enneagram was through a relationship. I was seated
at a dinner table next to Suzanne and Joe Stabile in Boca Grande,
Florida, and I'd never heard the word Enneagram.
We'd never met each other. We were just simply seated by friends
next to each other at a dinner party. And as an Enneagram
two myself, sitting next to an Enneagram two, Suzanne Stabile,
who I later come to know what twoness means. We
just naturally connected, and, we became
friends. And that friendship continued
beyond that evening, and it was through that friendship that, you
know, what do you do for a living? What do you what do you teach?
And I heard the word Enneagram for the first time. So, it's
kinda funny and, I think, perfect for me that as an Enneagram too, I
came to a knowledge and an awareness of this tool, really,
first through a friendship. And and, Ryan, it resonated
with me. Once I learned the Enneagram, it resonated with
me as something that was true and something that I needed. And
it's connected to all that we've talked about so far because so much of
my life was disconnected from sort
of an inner journey for many reasons. One, I was afraid to take too deep
of an inner journey of what would I find and what conclusions would I come
to, and then what would what would that mean
that I was invited to bear out, and how would
that, connect me or disconnect me
with communities that I've been a part of. And and so, you know, I
was hungry for that, but but frightened of that in some ways. And the
Enneagram just invites us inside. It's a tool that invites us to go
look inside and mine a little bit
deeper what's there. And, ultimately, I think the Enneagram
has the potential, if we will let it,
to lead us deeper inside to actually rediscover
and become reacquainted with the things of the soul. And and so that's
why I'm passionate about it, and that's why I teach it now and travel the
country and and speak to people about it because I think that it's a
tool that has the potential for personal and
soul transformation.
We talk about the Enneagram fairly consistently on this podcast,
but never with in-depth. Like, most of the time, it's just coming out as our
guests come on. They'll say, oh, well, I'm an Enneagram
number blank. I'm an Enneagram nine, by the way.
But for for the uninitiated or the under,
under underexposed, could you give us kind of a brief overview
of of Enneagram? Absolutely. The Enneagram is is really a
personality system, not unlike some of the others. Lots
of people have encountered or bumped up against some of the Myers Briggs or
strength finder or DISC or Berkman, or are you an Otter,
Tiger, Lion, Golden Retriever? You know? Go I'm raising my
hand with the Golden Retriever. And, all of those
systems are really interesting and good and have something to give us.
They all really give us a language for describing things about the way
that we see and the way that we respond and the way that we
interact with other people. What is interesting and I think
compelling about the Enneagram is the Enneagram
really comes to us as one of those systems with a basis
in, spirituality. Really, in
many ways, the Enneagram is based upon the nine passions by one of the desert
mothers or fathers of Agarus Ponticus, who is doing work
in the third and fourth century around nine different ruling forces
that sort of trip us up more often than than
others. So, we've come to kinda know these nine passions really as the
seven deadly sins plus two. Mhmm. You know, they're sort of in our in
our language, in our cultural speak.
Here's what's interesting and and worth exploring about the
Enneagram to me. The Enneagram says, okay. We're gonna talk to you about personality,
nine different ones. Nine different ways of seeing, nine different
ways of interacting, nine different ways of being motivated
that are based upon those nine passions along with other kind of
foundation stones that we could talk about, wounding, childhood messages,
all sorts of things. But it says, we're gonna talk to you about
personality because we actually believe there's
something deeper to you than just personality. We believe you have a
soul, an essence, a true self. Self. Whatever language feels right to you.
As Christians, we might use language from the
Bible and say the Christ in you are the Christ in me. The image of
God that we bear. There's a truer iteration of each of us. And so the
Enneagram comes to say, let's look at personality
as a way of discovering whether that personality is sort of
right sized or maybe whether it's oversized.
Mhmm. And if we can explore it and get it to a
place where it's a little bit right or sized,
maybe not so oversized, then we actually have the
potential to move through personality at moments and get to
matters of the soul so that you and I, Ryan, in maybe
fleeting moments of our day could have a soul to
soul interaction, not just a personality to personality interaction.
So I say all that to say what I think is compelling and
interesting and fundamentally powerful about the Enneagram
is it stands alone as a personality system that says, hey, we're
talking about personality, not because we care all that much about
personality, but because we care about the soul. And we want to
we want to explore personality as a way of
of moving through it to some deeper truer things, to
some true self, to some essence, to some soul. So would you
say it's a way
of maybe identifying, kind of like a
spiritual vision or a divine vision for your
life? It is. It's a way of well, to
actually take that one step deeper, you know, I talked about the passions.
Mhmm. There's a passion for each number, and that's really the
language of personality. Yeah. The passions are
anger and pride and the deceit and
envy and greed and fear and
gluttony and lust and sloth. And so
one of those is is typed to each of the nine Enneagram numbers, and
it really describes sort of what kind of trips us up
in our personality most often. On the flip side, there's
there's these nine virtues. And if you look at the
virtue for each number, it's the opposite of the passion.
Okay? So look at me for a second. I'm a two. My
passion is pride, which is all about me as a two sort of
wanting to under identify and represent my own need
and overplay my role as, you know,
the the savior, fixer, helper of the world. You know? Isn't it so good that
I don't need anything today so that I can help you with all the things
that you need? That's what that's pride for an Enneagram two. Well,
the virtue for Enneagram two is humility. Pride and humility are
opposites. They're really the 180 degree paradox of one
another. Humility for Enneagram two is really my invitation to say, you
know what? Ryan, I'm just as messed up as you.
Not not saying, you know, I know your your paper, but, you know, I have
to We've already established that. I'm just as messed up as you.
And so let me share with you my problems and
desires and fears and dreams, and you share with
me your problems and fears and desires and dreams, and let's have a mutual
reciprocal relationship that's not elevated by me
putting myself in the seat of the helper or the fixer. That's
humility for me as a two. Ryan, you as a nine, the the
passion is sloth, but the the virtue is action.
Well, sloth and action are are opposites as well.
When you when you see the mystery
Enneagram that the passions and the virtues are opposites of one
another, what you learn from that
is the virtue is connected to the soul, while the
passion is connected to personality. The virtue
is the truer thing. The personality and the
passion is the false thing. Not bad and
not not in a moral inventory sort of way false, just the opposite of
true. And so the Enneagram comes to
say, Ryan, even though you describe yourself as
an Enneagram nine and you would use the language maybe of passion
and personality to tell somebody how you see and
how you're motivated and how you show up in the world.
The deeper truth is that you're actually the opposite of that.
Hunter, as an Enneagram too, even though I would come and talk about all this
Tunis and all this pride stuff is how my personality shows up, the deeper
truth is at the soul level, I'm the opposite of that.
Okay. And that's the gift and the
grace that the Enneagram can offer us to see
that you are not your personality. In many ways, you
are fundamentally the opposite of what your personality
bears out. Now we've forgotten that because we've fallen in love with our
personalities. We've come to rely on them. And so the
Enneagram comes to us and invite us back
to a process of rediscovery of who we really
are. So it'd be fair to say then that I'll feel
most alive or most, most
spiritually connected when I am taking action Yes.
Opposed to Exactly. It it exactly. Action is
so fundamentally true about you. It's the most precious and
vulnerable true thing about you. So in response to the
world's trouble, which we encounter from day one, you learned
to protect it and to hide it away. And what do we protect
things with and hide them away with? Well, we protect them with their opposite.
Opposite. So many times what we project is the opposite
of what's true. And we've done that so
long we kind of forgot. So I forgot that humility was there.
You forgot that action really fundamentally was there.
But as we find our way back toward
those matters of the soul, you're exactly right, that's when we will
feel most truly alive and most truly
aligned with matters of the holy
and vocation and fundamental calling.
Well, in addition to talking about the enneagram fairly regularly,
we we often share spiritual practices on this podcast. And,
in letting go finding you, you you give a number of
spiritual practices as examples in your work,
in consultation with, people through this process.
Do you find that certain Enneagram types lean
towards certain spiritual practices? Absolutely.
You know, we all kinda have we all have spiritual practices,
I would say, in our Enneagram type that are easier
for us or more accessible to us. And then we all have ones that are
like, oh, gosh. You know, I hopefully, no one ever invites me to do
that one. And and both of those pathways have
something to offer us. Right? You know, there there's something for us in
the practices that feel just like a
warm cup of coffee, you know, on a rainy day in an armchair.
Mhmm. And there's something for each of us in the practices that we
just resist. So I
think, Ryan, that where that comes up
most often is it comes up really in the
centers of intelligence that are associated and ordered within each of
our Enneagram numbers. So we talk about with the Enneagram that
each of us has thinking, feeling, or doing
to rely on all day long. But based on our Enneagram number, one of those
is sort of in first place, and one of those, it comes in
last place. And so for each of us,
there's one of thinking, feeling, or doing that we sort of rely on most,
and then there's one of thinking, feeling, or doing that we sort of lives in
the basement and we kind of pick up the least. And so
I think for each of us in our Enneagram type, you know, I'm a two,
so feeling sort of comes up first for me, and
thinking lives in the basement. So that means, you
know, any spiritual practices that kinda tap into
art and beauty and feeling and transcendence
and awe and reverence, you know, those things, man, I'm ready to hook into
them. And I love them, and and I'm here for
it. Spiritual practices that challenge
my ways of thinking or that challenge
me to think about things that are broader than just
relationships and people and conversations and
matters of the heart are a little
bit less explored by me, but I need both.
So I we all have that in our
numbers. So if you, in your number, just look
at and you can find it, you know, anywhere. What is the
center of intelligence that's dominant for you and what's repressed for you? That's
gonna give you some clues to what is
both most accessible to you in spiritual work and also
what maybe you're invited to go pick up in spiritual
practice work. So, Hunter, what's a
spiritual practice that you've been leaning into lately?
Well, the number one one that I've been leaning into lately because I need it
the most, and I kind of think we all need it the most, is centering
prayer. It's hard for me because it challenges my thinking. Yeah. You
know, in centering prayer, you sit for twenty minutes in a chair and you let
go of thoughts and you settle your you settle on an
intention to be totally open to the presence and activity of God that is
unseen, and then you release thoughts for twenty minutes, and then you get up and
you walk away. And you you don't
seek or attach to the idea that, you know, this is gonna be my great
moment of epiphany, or this is when I'm gonna finally figure out all the
answers to all the questions I've been stewing over forever. Actually,
if if epiphany comes, you let it go just like all the other
thoughts. Well, that's hard for me because,
my thought life is so occupied by
people and what I need to do and what I said wrong and what I
could do better and how I could who I need to connect with. And it's
hard for me to to sit there and let the thoughts pass by
like boats in a stream, and so I I
need it. I want it. It's hard
for me. It's one that I'm I teach a a cohort each
year in Dallas on contemporary spirituality. So in that
cohort right now between our last gathering and this gathering, we're focusing on
centering prayer. So that's that's part of why I'm focused on that one especially.
But that's one that I I offer that one to everybody as sort of
the fundamental building block for contemplative spiritual practice. Start
there. Start with five minutes,
in a chair with an intention releasing thought,
not looking for epiphany. And, I think that's kind
of one of the ones that sort of is a building block for all the
others.
It's a great introduction to that, need to let
go as well because as you mentioned, there's
no result expected of No result. Prayer. Right? So and Well
and and, Ryan, that's really why you know, it's funny. When I wrote this
book, by the end of it, I was like, I don't know if I wrote
an Enneagram book or if I wrote a contemplative spirituality book. And and
and then I realized, oh, okay. Maybe that was the point. And it's because
the first years that I was doing work with the Enneagram, I was still
in kind of what we we talked about at the beginning is that sort of,
you know, take the hill, you know, do big things for God, figure out, you
know, the next conference, the next book, the new guru, kind of Christianity.
And when we bring that approach to
Enneagram work, when we're trying to, you know, okay, what can I do?
What are the five steps I can make today as a two to be healthy?
All we've done is is just layer on more personality because I'm still in
charge. I'm still in control. I'm still trying to figure out what I can do
in my ego to find change or transformation.
So what I what I realized along the way is this isn't doing anything.
You know, this is interesting, but it's not changing me
from the inside out. And and so I realized that, woah,
woah, woah. I I need a I don't need an active spiritual approach. I need
a contemplative spiritual approach that's about going inside and letting
go. That's about less, not more. That's about releasing,
not taking on. That's the spiritual
approach and the spiritual ethic that I believe
fundamentally can lead toward the transformation that the Enneagram points
to. So I I really believe these two tools, if
you will, contemplative spirituality and Enneagram wisdom,
are both not just tools that run on parallel tracks, but they're
interwoven, interdependent. I don't
fundamentally believe you can do any good
work in the Enneagram on yourself through kind of a I'm
gonna fix myself. I'm gonna figure it out. I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna do
big things for God approach. I think the only way that
we let the Enneagram lead us
towards transformative soul growth and work
is through saying, woah. I gotta I gotta shed some layers
here. I gotta strip all of off all of this crap.
I've gotta go deeper inside. I've got to
let personality be released so that what is
living behind it and beyond it, which is virtue, true self,
soul, can actually begin to shine again.
Well, less is more. We're in a season of of less is more.
As we're recording this, it's the Lenten season, which people
often observe by, practicing fasting, letting
go of things. And you've tied simplicity
with, part of letting go. Tell us a little bit
about how you're practicing simplicity in these days. Yeah.
You know, simplicity is one of the spiritual practices that I need the
most. I need it in every area of life. And I you know, what I
what I found for myself is I can practice simplicity in some
really ways that seem very
mundane but are still spiritually fruitful for me. So, like, here's a silly
little way that I practice simplicity in this season. You
know, we all have a closet of clothes that we wear, and
this is a one thing that I've done in this season is I've just kinda
you know, in this season, I'm I'm I'm not gonna I I I'm not gonna
look at all these. I'm not gonna draw from all you know, I need to
put half of these up. I I'm just I'm just gonna draw from these.
Mhmm. Now that's a very little thing, Ryan. That's very specific
to just a moment in my life. But it's any way that we
can say, you know what? I'm gonna declutter life a little bit
so that my attention and focus
is freed to be on maybe some things that
are different from what it traditionally is on. So sometimes in my
office at home, I just I have to, like, take pictures off
the wall. I have a sense of I've kind of a tendency to sort of,
like, surround myself with totems and tobias
and, you know, and and I'm just kinda oriented that way. And sometimes that's you
know, I need a reset. I need to strip all this
away. I need to look at the white walls for a little while
and observe a simpler moment. I can do that in the way that I eat.
I can do that in the way that I spend money. I can do that
in my physical environment. It's a little thing, but it's a way that
we can fast,
And it's it's a way that I think our
environment or our body can bear
witness to really more of a soul
principle of less is more. We don't need all the
things that we have. When we have
so much in our environment, in our eyesight, in our
bodies, we are distracted. We are full
in every way that we can be full, which allow which doesn't
allow surprise, doesn't allow
curiosity. Tell me a little bit about
that surprise. How is simplicity,
an invitation to surprise? You know, surprise
is one of my favorite spiritual words, and it's kind of one of the parts
of Pentecostalism that I keep. I think there are so many
wonderful pieces of the Pentecostal
charismatic tradition in in Christianity.
And, like all iterations of Christianity,
there's some harm too. But the the beauty is that in the
Pentecostal charismatic tradition, there is an openness to
the idea that today, I may walk out my door,
and I may think that I know everything that's gonna happen today. I may
think I know where I'm gonna go and who I'm gonna meet and what I'm
gonna do and what I'm gonna accomplish, but maybe, just
maybe, I'll be surprised. Mhmm. That's
really the fundamental ethos behind the Pentecostal
charismatic tradition, and it it it also is the
fundamental ethos behind mysticism and contemplation.
That transcendence all the holy will surprise us. It's around
every corner. It's around every turn. God is under every rock. And
so one of the ways
that we posture our souls and our
bodies for surprise is
by freeing up space and room and time.
You know, if every moment in my mind and in my day
is full, full, full, full, full, well,
I'm probably gonna miss a lot of the opportunity for surprise.
And so that's how all this to me connects. That's how
simplicity, subtraction, fasting
also connects to the beauty of
surprise and and charisma and
mysticism and contemplation. It's all really it's
a one thing. Have you felt a
sense of surprise lately? You know, I have.
I, so I have MS. That's just a a
little part of my journey. And I as part of
having MS, I have treatments every six months where I go in for kind of
a full day of infusions. And, because
I go in only every six months for that infusion, you know, by month four
or five, you know, it's worn off, and I'm kinda in the
tank. So for me, the month of February and most of
March this year was I felt horrible. I
was exhausted. I was just I was full up in every way. I
I didn't really have any
physical capacity for much.
A couple weeks ago, you know, it was that kind of twice a year, six
months sort of thing that I I do. And,
man, I feel like a new person. Well, that's a little bodily
example. You know, that's connected obviously to my body and my health
experience, but it's been also a spiritual reminder of, oh my
goodness. The world is in color again, and, and
I I have energy again. And it's made me
grateful for all of that. And so I've I've I've
I've kind of the last couple weeks, I'm full of you know, I'm kinda ready
to I've I it's I had gotten so used to not
feeling good that I am ready to be surprised at every turn.
Right. So, yeah, I I really
Ryan, I am committed to still that
Pentecostal charismatic tradition in many ways that, I
carry with me from my past. And so
my just way of seeing in the world is I really
I walk out the door and I'm thinking, what the world am I gonna experience
today? Who in the world am I gonna meet today? It's probably gonna
be crazy and unexpected. I sort of live with that
idea in mind, and I try to as well. You know, it's it's
also a discipline to live with that idea in mind.
Well, for folks who want to get to know you a little bit better, Hunter,
or, check out some more of your work, is is your website a good
starting place for that? It's a good start. Every you can kinda find me
anywhere, a website, social media,
enneagramhunter, enneagram hunter Com and enneagram
hunter kind of social handles. And, you can also find me
at Life in the Trinity Ministry. That that website, that's Joe
and Suzanne Stabille's ministry. I teach a year long cohort
with them in Dallas each year. And you the work that really we've talked about
today, the work that I'm talking about in the book is the work that
we do with 40 people each year in a in a year long
experience there in Dallas. So I invite people to check that out and
and think about if if you might feel led to come join us one
year. Perfect. Well, Hunter, thank you so much for sharing your
story with us and, for enlightening us in terms of
the Enneagram, but also in the ways in which the spirit might introduce some surprise
into our lives. Thank you, Ryan.
Well, that wraps up this episode of Compass Finding Spirituality
in the Everyday. A huge thanks again to Hunter Mobley for joining us and
sharing such thoughtful insights about the Enneagram
spirituality, the joy of surprise in our daily lives.
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